June
2008
Anne
Canning In conversation ...
with Teresa Baggott. Teresa has just
started her second year as the Southwold Town Mayor. Teresa
and her husband Derek run the Red Lion in Southwold.

Tell me about your early life
I was born in 1961 in Southwold. We lived at 2 Cautley Road
until I was eight years old and I have lots of happy memories
of being in that house. At the time I had one older and
one younger brother. My third brother didn’t come
along until a few years later. We had a brilliant time at
Cautley Road. Anyone who knows my mother will know what
sort of childhood we had, with no rules or regulations from
Mum. The house had a massive garden at the side, which was
completely overgrown. We had boats in the garden and all
the kids from the neighbourhood use to come to our house
to play because they knew that they could do more or less
what they liked.
It seems hard to believe now, but we had a visit from the
Town Clerk telling us we had got to tidy up our garden.
He was worried that the grass was too high and might catch
alight and burn the hospital down. (The house was right
opposite where the casualty department was situated at the
time). I know that his timing wasn’t very good, because
he came round on a Saturday afternoon. My dad was a fisherman
and Saturday was the day when all the fishermen went for
a drink after they came in. So Dad had had a drink or two
when the Town Clerk turned up to tell us we had got to cut
our grass because it was a fire hazard!
Mum was a great party person and we had some amazing birthday
parties at Cautley Road. Dressing up has always been one
of Mum’s main things and she had this massive dressing
up collection. Her parties always involved us in dressing
up.
There were some big carnivals in Southwold in those days
with loads of floats going down the street. I think they
were mainly organised by the Young Wives Group but if there
was any other celebration in the town it often involved
a carnival. Mum always roped us in and we had to dress up
and be shoved onto one of the floats.
Now I absolutely hate dressing up and can’t think
of anything worse than a fancy dress party, but as children
we just thought that was part of normal life.
What happened when you were eight?
We had to move from Cautley Road because it was only a small
house and we needed more room. We literally moved down the
road to Hotson Road. It was a three-way swap. We moved into
Philip Palmer’s family home - they moved across the
street and we moved down. I can remember vividly it all
being done in vans on one particular day. It was very exciting
for us kids and nice because we didn’t have to move
out of the area.
In those days there were hundreds of families living in
Southwold. The whole area was full of families; there were
no second homes or anything like that. You knew everybody
and everybody knew you.
Things stayed the same after we moved. We still had a massive
garden and the parties went on. Mum never laid down any
rules so we had a brilliant upbringing and a very happy
childhood. As the beach was so near we used to spend almost
every day there in the summer. In those days there was a
chap who used to hire windbreaks and chairs and I remember
the windbreaks were great big long things that used to go
all the way down the length of the groynes. At the age of
about nine we were allowed to go on our own if we wanted,
something that wouldn’t happen these days. We would
also be allowed to go on the pier with a bag of pennies
to play on the machines. The biggest fun for us of going
to the beach was being allowed to go on the pier. You could
take a few pennies down and play there all morning.
Things have changed so drastically in a relatively short
time. We enjoyed the kind of carefree childhood not available
to many children these days.
What was the pier like when you used to take your
pennies there?
I can remember it being the length it is now but as I grew
up it got shorter and shorter. We could walk along the pier
but I’m not sure that it was very safe. It was a rickety
old thing. Upstairs there was a massive cafeteria. The whole
building is very different now. The main draw for us was
playing with our pennies on this penny shove thing and mum
being quite naughty and showing us how to nudge the pennies
off to get them out.
Did your mum work?
Yes, all her life. Years ago she always worked at the Swan
Hotel and I used to have to go there after school because
Mum was doing the afternoon teas. I would go to the Swan
straight from Southwold School and sit in the kitchen watching
Mum preparing egg and cress sandwiches and cakes to go on
the tea trolley. I did that from the age of eight and thought
it looked good fun, so I suppose it isn’t really surprising
that I ended up in the catering business. My older brother
was allowed to go home or go to a friend’s house,
but I had to go and meet Mum.
My youngest brother Alan came along when I was about eleven,
so then Mum used to go to work in the evening and I looked
after the baby. I did that from the time he was born and
for a long time I sort of permanently had this baby with
me. The thing was Dad was a fisherman and even in those
days the fishing wasn’t brilliant so he had to fish
when he could. There were four of us kids to feed. We obviously
lived on fish most of the time and if there wasn’t
any fish Dad would go out and shoot a rabbit somewhere and
that’s what we had for our tea. There were no treats
like there are these days. One of our biggest treats was
on Cup Final day. We used to love that day because Mum would
always buy a packet of chocolate biscuits. I just used to
sit there and wait - I wasn’t interested in the football
at all - I just wanted my chocolate biscuit.
How did your Dad’s life as a fisherman work?
They had to go out with the tide, so he could be out any
time of the day or night. I can only remember him being
the skipper of his own boat and he had a few different local
blokes who worked for him. They always went out from Southwold.
He had quite a few different boats at different times with
different people but I was never allowed to set foot on
any of them. My brothers could go on but I had to stand
on the stage, because being a girl it was very unlucky for
me to go on. He was very superstitious, which meant I wasn’t
allowed on the boat. Another superstition meant that we
weren’t allowed to have the colour green in our house.
That’s something else that has stayed with me from
my childhood and now my favourite colour is green. When
I was a youngster there were hundreds of fishermen down
at the harbour and all sorts of fish for sale. There were
no fishing quotas in those days so they could catch what
they wanted.
Once the fish had been caught how did he go about
selling it?
Some used to go to the market, but Dad used to bring quite
a lot of it home. Mum used to package it up in the kitchen
into so many different parcels for a little round she had
to friends and neighbours. When Alan was still a baby in
the pram we all used to go out with her and tap on people’s
doors to see if they wanted any fish. Normally they would
be only too happy to buy it because fresh fish was as popular
then as it is today. We used to have this boiler thing at
home that was used for boiling the shrimps out in the back
yard. He used to catch lobster as well but I didn’t
like it when they were thrown into the pot. They would shriek.
When I think back to how things were done then – it
would never be allowed now.
Dad would go shooting as well so we used to eat a lot of
rabbit and game. That’s another thing I can’t
stand now. I said to Mum one day “I’m surprised
I’m not a vegetarian with what I used to see”.
Sometimes pet rabbits would disappear from the garden only
to be served up for tea later. That’s the way it was
in those days, especially with Dad being a fisherman because
there was no regular money – it was the way to survive.
Of course Mum earned money from the hotel but the pay wasn’t
brilliant and there were no perks like there are now.
I suppose Southwold didn’t get so many visitors
then
No, but there were regular visitors that you could set your
clock by. They would come at the same time every year and
stay for two weeks. That doesn’t happen much anymore.
When I was a bit older we made loads of friends in the summer
holidays down on the beach. Every year we would meet up
with the same visitors. We also met families from the caravan
site, because they used to use the Harbour Inn. Dad’s
boat stage was right opposite the front of the pub so we
spent a lot of our time messing about around there. Mum
and Dad would often go there for a drink on Saturday or
Sunday lunchtime and the Harbour Inn would be full of fishermen
and their families. The kids weren’t allowed in the
pub (not even over the step), but would play outside. The
odd glass of cola and packet of crisps would appear on the
step if we were lucky. That is one thing that I find has
changed dramatically, how taking kids into pubs has become
acceptable. Back in those days I think you would probably
have gone out of there as quickly as you went in!
Were your Mum and Dad both Southwold people?
Yes they were both born in Southwold. Dad was actually born
in a house just along from where we lived in Hotson Road.
He was one of eleven brothers and sisters of the Doy family.
Many of them went on to have very big families of their
own and consequently the Doys were a massive Southwold family.
Many of them still live in the town now and I’ve got
cousins and half cousins that I probably don’t know.
Sometimes one of them will come into the pub and tell me
that they are related to me. My automatic response is to
ask, “which one are you from?”
Mum was born in Victoria Street. Her parents were Freddy
and Dorothy Wells. During the war granddad was an Air Raid
Warden in Southwold. Mum had a totally different background
to Dad’s. He was in this big family, whereas Mum was
an only child for several years until her brother David
came along.
My granddad Wells used to run the tennis courts in Southwold
(now The Pit Stop), so that was another place where we spent
a lot of our childhood. Mum was a very good tennis player
and played most days. Before she married Mum was encouraged
with her tennis by an old lady called Nancy Fox (the founder
of the Fox Trust Housing Scheme) and she was keen to take
Mum to London to get her trained professionally. Mum was
having such a good time in and around Southwold that she
wouldn’t go, although she continued playing tennis.
At one time granddad Wells had been the Mace Bearer for
the Town Council. I often think of that when I walk along
now with the current Mace Bearer.
How did you enjoy school?
I went to Southwold School from the age of five to eleven.
It was strict but I was very happy there despite my childhood
asthma. If I had an attack at school one of the teachers
would just pick me up and take me home. At the age of eleven
I went on to Reydon School (it was called Reydon Modern
when I was there) and again had a very happy time there.
It was a big culture shock going from Southwold Primary
to Reydon Modern and some of the older pupils seemed enormous.
I was lucky because my brother and I were quite close and
he was already there a year above me. I knew a lot of his
friends so that helped. I left at sixteen with seven reasonable
GCSE’s apart from German, which I detested and only
did to get out of doing something else.
When we were choosing our options there was woodwork, cooking
or music. Naturally, I went for cooking, but that was stopped
short after an incident in the cookery class when I was
amongst a bunch of girls who had done something wrong. The
teacher decided to split us up. I ended up in music, so
I had no cooking lessons at school. The only things I learned
about cooking at home were from Dad because Mum wasn’t
a cook. She didn’t like cooking because there was
always something else to do which would be much more fun.
I should say though that Mum did teach me how to make yorkshire
puddings and gravy.
Anyway, in my music option I learned to play the clarinet,
although I don’t think I would be able play one now.
I assume you had originally chosen the cookery
option with a career in catering in mind?
Well I had sort of got interested in catering when I was
a child in the Swan with my mum. The Swan, the Crown and
the Anchor at Walberswick were run as one company in those
days called “Sole Bay Hotels” and Mum at some
stage had moved from the Swan to the Crown. When I was thirteen
I started working part time at the reception desk in the
Crown. Can you imagine a thirteen year old being allowed
to do that now? I used to go at the weekends and sometimes
after school from five to six o’clock. At that time
the Crown reception was in the office at the top of the
stairs. I learned an awful lot there from the manageress
who later moved to the Anchor at Walberswick. She taught
me how to type, do bookwork and wages. I just learned everything
from that one person in the Crown.
When I left school there were a lot of girls going off to
college to learn secretarial skills, but I had already learned
so much of that from my years at The Crown. I had also gained
quite a few life skills dealing with people in the hotel.
There was the attraction of earning a full time wage to
consider and after weighing it all up I decided not to go
to college but to work full time at the Crown.
As I got older, I did a bit of waitressing downstairs and
then, when I was 18 I was allowed to go in the bar, but
I worked mainly in reception. In those days we used an old
fashioned typewriter, and the old style Gestetner copier
and I seemed to have permanently inky fingers.
Mr Bath-Jones, the then manager of the three hotels, employed
a lot of Phillipino girls at the time. They were lovely
and I used to really enjoy working with them. I also learned
a bit about their style of cooking when they prepared food
in the rest room.
My first husband, Kevin was a chef at the Crown and we married
while I still worked there. I stayed working until about
five days before my daughter was born because I really didn’t
want to leave – I loved it so much.
In fact I ended up staying at the Crown from the age of
thirteen until I left to have my first child when I was
twenty-two.
Did you stay in Southwold after you were married?
Yes we rented a house in Southwold. There was only a year
between my two girls. By the time our son was born Kevin
had moved to the Swan and I was asked to help out there.
So I would go down at three o’clock while Kevin looked
after the children until he came on duty at six o’clock.
I worked on reception again, but it was a bit of an eye-opener
and much more upmarket than the Crown. In those days they
used to have quite a few famous people come to stay. There
were even long time residents staying there.
One big challenge was the old fashioned telephone exchange,
which had fifty-two lines. To put a call through you had
to plug in the connector, which was on an elasticated cord,
to the appropriate line. It was a nightmare getting the
right plug into the right hole and I gave it a wide berth
for a few days. One of the lines was the extension for the
manageress (I can still remember the number - it was fifty
four). Everyone was so afraid of her that when it lit up
nobody wanted to answer it. One particular day my husband
arrived a bit late just after six o’clock with the
three children. Well the phones always got busy after six
o’clock because the calls were cheaper and I had loads
of these calls connected with plugs here there and everywhere.
The girls just stood by the doorway but my son came running
in to see me and as I turned away to speak to one of the
girls he started to pull the plugs out. Of course when I
asked him which plugs he had moved and where to, he couldn’t
remember so in the end I just pulled all the plugs out and
declared a temporary fault. I can still hear the noise of
him taking out the plugs and remember me hoping that number
fifty-four wouldn’t light up.
There was only one other telephone exchange of that kind
in the area at the time and I think it was at the Royal
George (now the Hatfield) at Lowestoft.
When the Swan was refurbished in 1989 the switchboard went.
I don’t know what happened to it.
How did you come to move to Reydon?
Sole Bay Hotels had taken on management of The Randolph
in Reydon. They needed someone to manage it, and offered
it to Kevin and I. It was a huge step at the time. The children
were all under five and I had my doubts, but Kevin was very
keen. He didn’t want to do the style of cooking planned
for the Swan and had ideas of his own. It was such a good
opportunity that we accepted, much to my Mum’s dismay.
At the time The Randolph was a bit run down and didn’t
have a brilliant reputation and she also wasn’t sure
it would be right for the children.
We went to The Randolph in February 1989 and lived in accommodation
attached to the back of the hotel. It was ideal because
the hotel kitchen door and our door was connected by a small
walkway so the kids weren’t far away if we were working
in the kitchen. We had a great team – a couple had
come from the Swan and my sister in law worked with us as
well. She also had children so we helped each other out.
It was very hard work, but once the place was tidied up.
we started to take residents We found that a lot of our
visitors loved to see the kids around the place. I still
have people come to the pub now and ask me how they are.
The kids had a fantastic life up there. We still worked
for Sole Bay Hotels but they left us alone to do our own
thing. Two or three years later the place was really busy.
We didn’t run it for the holiday trade because of
where it was. We thought it had to be run for the locals
and if we got holidaymakers that was a bonus. In the early
days we always knew on a Friday if Southwold was full because
at seven o’clock we would begin to get enquiries from
people who had been sent up to us. Once we got going we
were usually booked up ourselves. We had some good times
there.
How did it become “The Cricketers”?
When we had been there about two or three years, Simon Loftus
took over the running of the hotels. He had obviously got
his own ideas and it was true the Randolph did need updating.
There were lots of individual rooms so everything was sort
of closed off, so he wanted to open it up. He also decided
that he wanted to change the name of the place. That didn’t
go down very well with Mr Adnams because the name had been
chosen by his predecessors as a tribute to Randolph Churchill.
Simon wanted everything to be completely new with a cricket
theme, partly I think because of the proximity of the Eversley
playing field and cricket pavilion. We had our doubts about
whether the locals would like it. After all it was them
who provided the main part of our trade. Anyway he pursued
his ideas and I think it was done quite well really. The
structural changes made are how you see it today. In the
end they were forced to do much more than had been originally
planned when a water tank in the roof burst (overnight fortunately
when no one was around). From the top floor to the bottom
all the ceilings had fallen in. In the main bar it looked
as if someone had thrown a bomb in and shut the door.
When I saw all the colours being used and expensive cricket
memorabilia coming in I wasn’t too sure. Then he commissioned
an artist to do the two screens in the restaurant. The screen
that separated the front and the back of the restaurant
was of a cricket scene and the other (which is where the
glass screen is now between the bar and the restaurant)
was of a tea lady serving sandwiches in a tea hut. I thought
that was the most awful thing I had ever seen, but I didn’t
mind the cricket scene.
We had a big opening ceremony, but there was still a bit
of disquiet about the name and a lot of the locals just
carried on calling it The Randolph. We were still as busy
and people gradually got used to the changes. When we left
in 1999 it was still called the Cricketers and I don’t
really know when it became the Randolph again.
Was that when you went to the Red Lion?
By this time Kevin and I were divorced. We had just grown
apart really but have remained friends. I felt as if we
had gone as far as we could with the hotel. We were only
managing it for what by then was called “Adnams Hotels”
and were told there was no chance of it coming on the market.
When The Red Lion came up I was with my husband Derek, and
we decided to go for it. Dudley Clarke was now the general
manager of Adnams Hotels, so I had a chat with him. He suggested
we might like to move to the Swan, but that didn’t
really appeal to me very much. I like to work with local
people as well as visitors and the Swan’s clientele
is mainly visitors. When Derek and I first applied for the
Red Lion we didn’t get it, because another Adnams
landlord took priority. We were asked to consider other
places, but we stayed put and within a very short time we
were offered the Red Lion when it didn’t quite worked
out for the other tenant. We had to give three months notice
and were due to start at the Red Lion in the May, but in
the end we stayed on at the Randolph until July.
We had a lot of functions already booked and didn’t
want to let our local customers down. I stayed on to do
our last wedding. I knew the girl who was getting married
and her family and we had been planning it for a year and
a half and it just didn’t feel right not to see it
through. We cleared it with Adnams but of course this meant
that we started at the Red Lion in August. We did the wedding
on 31 July had the Sunday off to finish packing and we took
over the Red Lion on the Monday. That was one of the most
horrendous days of my life. We were used to quiet lunch
times and busy evenings. At the Red Lion it is the complete
opposite, especially when the sun is shining It is absolutely
heaving at lunch times in the summer.
There was me, Derek and my sister in law and Kevin, who
had applied for the chef’s job (some people found
that odd but it has worked well). There was so much going
on that morning of the handover. We had stock takers in
and a broker and us and the other tenant and we had to agree
to the inventory and the price for stock and fixtures and
fittings. We were a bit niaive and ended up paying for quite
a lot that we didn’t need and spent the next few months
getting rid of. On that morning we also had to go to court
to get the licence.
The first week was a nightmare – it all seemed such
a rush with people in a hurry for their food and most of
the customers strangers. It took a little while to settle
in. We realised we would have to knuckle down and we did.
That pub will always be busy because of the holiday trade.
The seasons seem to have gone. Every weekend in Southwold
is busy now, regardless of the time of year. You can guarantee
Friday, Saturday and Sunday lunchtimes we will be busy,
but Monday to Friday lunchtimes can be quite dead during
the winter months.
You don’t regret the move do you?
No - it was a good move, but I’m thinking now I don’t
want to be still working in the Red Lion when I’m
fifty. I sometimes think it would be nice to be in a sweet
shop where people come in buy what they want and leave.
You wouldn’t have to be worrying about whether they
are comfortable and enjoying their meal. A lot the fun is
going out of doing the job, because as soon as somebody
walks in the door you are more or less responsible for their
safety. There are so many health and safety regulations
now and it can be a bit of a worry. Also, people expect
so much more these days and some can be very demanding.
Someone came in the other day with their children and ordered
his drinks and drink in a baby’s beaker for his child.
This is how things have gone and you are expected to adapt.
We allow children in the pub as long as they are in the
side rooms, but we don’t have a childrens’ licence
that allows them in the bar.
The paper work is horrendous and is a full time job in itself
now. Years ago you had your till roll and your cash book
and that was it but now there is just so much to keep on
top of. I find that harder than working in the pub, but
I would still rather do it myself.
Do you still have your children nearby?
Yes my middle daughter is getting married in July. That’s
coming round a bit quick. I don’t know why I am worried
about it because we organised loads of weddings at The Randolph;
probably one a week in the summer. Even that has changed
though and there seems to be so much more expected these
days. She is getting married in Reydon Church. She grew
up in Reydon, so sees that as home really and they have
been lucky enough to be able to buy a house there. I am
glad she is able to live locally. My other daughter rents
in Southwold and my son is still at home. I also have a
stepson and daughter who both live in Reydon.
How did you become a member of the Town Council?
All the time we lived in Reydon I had been a member of the
Reydon Parish Council. I quite enjoyed it and gained a little
bit of experience, but decided to leave when we moved to
Southwold because it didn’t seem appropriate to continue.
I was aware that the four yearly Town Council elections
were coming up in 2002, but, being very busy at the Red
Lion, hadn’t thought much about it. One day I was
queuing up in the Co-op to pay for my shopping and a lady
shoved a form in my hand saying “Come on dear, we
need young blood on the council – fill in the form”.
I have tried my hardest since to think who she was, but
I still don’t know. I think I put the form in my bag
and went home. Anyway, Mum popped in to see me later that
day and much the same thing had happened to her. We are
not sure whether it was a coincidence that the lady gave
us both a form or that she knew we were mother and daughter
and it was intentional. Well I wasn’t at all sure,
but Mum was up for it straight away. To cut a long story
short we both ended up filling in our forms and going through
the election procedure. I wasn’t surprised that Mum
got through because she was very well known in the town,
but I had recently got married and didn’t think people
would recognise me by my new name. Mum got loads more votes
than me but we were both elected to the council.
We were elected in May and the first major meeting was in
June. That first meeting turned out to very embarrassing
for us when several letters of complaint were produced about
somebody letting fireworks off. A week before, we had celebrated
my Dad’s seventieth birthday and decided to let off
some fireworks. It didn’t occur to us that anyone
would mind and I had gone into it in great detail to make
sure that it wouldn’t inconvenience anybody. We let
them off in out own little patch near our house, quite early
in fact. The chap I bought them from said it was socially
acceptable to let them off before quarter past ten, but
we had quite young children there who were getting a bit
fed up with waiting and we ended up letting them off at
about half past eight when it was still light, so we didn’t
really get the full effect. I know they were quite noisy,
but even so I was amazed that all these complaints had been
made to the Town Hall. Of course we realised straight away
that we were the culprits and Mum and I nudged each other
under the table like a couple of schoolgirls, trying not
to laugh out of a mixture of surprise and embarrassment.
Not very professional, but it was the last thing we expected
at our first big meeting.
Now we have a policy, which I think stemmed from us, that
people should inform the council if they are going to let
fireworks off.
How did you get on after that?
After that first meeting I started to realise what was involved
and I can remember saying to Mum that I wasn’t sure
whether I would be able to handle it. It was different to
my experiences with Reydon Parish Council and quite daunting
to be faced with fellow councillors and members of the public
in the formal surroundings of the Town Hall Council Chamber.
To begin with I found it very intimidating and worried constantly
about saying the wrong thing at the wrong time. We got on
slowly – very slowly in fact, and I must admit that
my doubts continued. After four years you have to be re-elected,
so in 2006 we had to do it all again. I can remember being
very uncertain, even at that stage, whether it was for me.
It was still daunting to stand up and voice an opinion,
knowing that I may well be shot down in flames by a senior
member of the council and I often had this feeling that
I wasn’t getting anywhere. At forty-five I was probably
the youngest member of the council and although I didn’t
want to make drastic changes, I did sometimes feel that
while outside things were moving on, in the council chamber
things were standing still. There didn’t seem to be
much point in putting forward ideas and suggestions that
weren’t going to be considered. I had a busy life
outside the council and I did agonise over whether I should
carry on. Mum, on the other hand, had no doubts that she
wanted to stand again. Despite the doubts, I did put up
again at the 2006 elections and this time when the polls
came back I think Mum was in about second place and I was
about fourth. That gave me a real incentive to get cracking.
Looking back, I don’t know why I was there on the
council for those first four years. I just didn’t
know what to say and when to say it, so in the main I stayed
quiet, watched and listened and only spoke when I had a
real view about something. After we were elected in May
2006 things changed drastically and I then really started
to get stuck into council business.
How do you become Mayor?
You are nominated by a fellow councillor. When I was elected
in 2006 I suppose it was in the back of my mind that I might
be Mayor at some stage because, although it is not done
in rotation, someone is usually nominated when they have
been on the council for a few years. I certainly didn’t
expect it to be so soon. It is the Deputy Mayor’s
job to obtain nominations from the councillors. When someone
has been nominated and seconded, the Deputy Mayor then establishes
whether all the council members support the nomination.
It can be a bit complicated, but it works so that we only
end up with one person being nominated. It’s quite
a good way of doing it because there are only twelve of
us and with the amount of time spent together on council
business we get to know each other quite well. With the
method we use it avoids the difficulty of having to choose
one member against another.
When the Deputy Mayor at the time telephoned to tell me
that my name had been put forward, I was in the pub kitchen
cooking soup. I had never made this particular soup before
and I was half thinking about that and half concentrating
on the telephone call. Afterwards I was so worried because
I didn’t think my reaction to the news was very professional
and I couldn’t remember what I had put in the soup.
You are appointed Mayor Elect in March and there is a two-month
run up to May when you become Mayor. During those two months
I started to have doubts about how I was going to fit everything
in with all the other things I had to do at home and work.
I knew it would involve my husband Derek as well and worried
about how it would affect him. Another concern was how I
would manage the meetings and any controversies that popped
up. I had seen what other Mayors had been through and how
tough it could be and I wasn’t at all sure I wanted
all that.
On the other hand, it was a huge honour for me a local girl,
born and brought up in the Town and a big part of me wanted
to do it. I finally reached a stage where I couldn’t
really turn back and, apart from anything else, it would
have been rude to say no. It is all done very formally –
you have to walk up to the top table and read and sign a
declaration before the chain is put on you. Then that’s
it and off you go. I remember sitting in the Mayoral chair
and looking down the chamber with some trepidation!
It took me a good few weeks to get into it. I loved every
minute of the social occasions and functions I was invited
to, but still worried about the council meetings. I was
still relatively new and conscious of my inexperience in
comparison to some of the councillors who had been there
for years. You never know what is going to be thrown at
you and obviously you have to be able to give considered
answers. In the public forum and sometimes in the presence
of the press it is important to be seen to be making the
right decisions. So the early days were difficult for me.
Are there any particulars highlights of your Mayorship?
I couldn’t really pick a highlight because I’ve
enjoyed doing everything and everything has been different.
I started off with the intention of doing as much as I could
because you get out what you put in don’t you?
There have been so many occasions, from judging sandcastle
competitions to attending quite formal functions. I judged
a sandcastle competition for Southwold School and one for
the lifeboat. It sounds quite a small thing but it is important
to those involved. There were all these kids running around
keen to show me which was their sandcastle and I was anxious
not to disappoint any of them. The Southwold School one
was quite tricky because I knew practically every child
on the beach and a lot of the parents. In the end what I
did, after presenting the first second and third prizes
we had donated, was to go back to the pub and get all the
participants a small consolation prize. When I was asked
to judge the lifeboat sandcastle competition Derek pointed
out that it was going to cost us a fortune if I kept giving
everyone a prize. In fact, the lifeboat competition was
easier. I knew the organisers but most of the competitors
were holidaymakers. Although, I still found it difficult
to disappoint the children who didn’t win.
It was a real disappointment not to be able to open the
Lions charity fete. I had been really looking forward to
it, but there was torrential rain and wind and they had
to call it off. It was a great shame. It was to be my first
major function and I had prepared myself, writing up on
the computer what I was going to say. I knew that if I could
get over that first hurdle of opening a fete and speaking
to all those people on the common I would be well away.
I think that I attended about eighty different events last
year. Quite a few of them were standard invitations but
I was also invited to lots of other things. I think it is
because I am accessible in the pub. People would often come
in and ask me to attend a little fete or coffee morning
– “just come round with your chain on”.
So I did a lot of those extra unofficial things last year.
During the summer months when there were a lot of things
going on round the town I kept everything I needed at home.
I quite often had very little notice and had to fit things
in around my work in the pub so it made life easier to have
everything upstairs. One day in August I changed three times
from my work clothes to go out to different functions. My
job involves cooking so had to wash my hair three times
that day as well. I think it was worth it because it meant
that I didn’t have to say no to anybody.
What happens if you really can’t make yourself
available?
If you can’t make a function then you ask the Deputy
Mayor to go. On another day in August last year there were
four functions on at more or less the same time. I managed
to whittle down my engagements to three by asking the Deputy
Mayor to attend one of them for me and by juggling things
around I managed to do the other three. The two official
appointments were opening the Sole Bay Bowls Club Tournament
and the opening of the Railway at St Felix School. They
were both fixed for eleven o’clock and I didn’t
want to say no to either of them. When I asked him, Councillor
Michael Ladd said he would love to do the railway, so he
went there and I went to the Bowls Club. The Bowls Club
function wasn’t what I expected at all and turned
out to be quite a formal occasion involving people from
Waveney District Council and the Reydon Parish Council.
I found that happened a lot to me during the year when I
would go along to different functions not really knowing
what to expect or how to dress. I wore high heels to the
bowls club, not really thinking I would be anywhere near
the green. I can remember looking at this immaculate green
and thinking “Oh my god I’ve got stiletto heels
on” but someone produced a mat for me to stand on.
The other two things were a function on South Green and
the amber hunt on the beach and I did manage to fit them
in later in the day.
I honestly think that one of the reasons for my election
was that I was the youngest member of the council and it
was maybe thought that the town needed to show off its younger
credentials. I hope I may have contributed to that by being
seen out and about with the Mayoral chain on. I am sure
it is something people like to see and it can only be good
for the town.
Any nasty moments?
Not really, but one of the really nerve-racking events was
standing on the stage at the opening night of the Southwold
Summer Theatre. I knew it was coming but that didn’t
make it any easier. Jill Freud was reassuring and advised
me just to be brief - no one was expecting a great speech.
I had seen it done before by some of my predecessors and
I wondered whether I would fall into the “confident”
or “scared stiff” category. The opening night
is by invitation only so it was “scared stiff”
I’m afraid. At the end Jill got up and said, “I
am pleased to welcome our mayor who would like to come up
and say a few words”. I sat at the front thinking
to myself that I wouldn’t like it at all actually.
I had thoroughly enjoyed the show, but became more and more
nervous as it neared the end and kept checking my watch,
having asked on the way in what time it finished. When I
got up on to the stage I was surprised that I couldn’t
actually see the audience; because of the lights it was
just black. That was reassuring, like when you are a child
and you close your eyes and think “if I can’t
see them – they can’t see me” Anyway I
said my few words and as I left the stage Jill Freud said
“that was brilliant” and I felt so much better.
Although I did think thank goodness that I would never have
to do it again. Of course now I will have to do it again
this year. I will get a second go!
To my surprise I was also invited to the last night of the
theatre. I was the only council member present that night
and was asked to get up and say a few words to close it.
Fortunately I had no idea I was going to be asked to do
that and, although I had nothing prepared, I was so much
more relaxed when Jill invited me up to speak. In fact it
was easier and as I came off the stage I felt so much more
confident.
I had to do it again for the pantomime, which was so much
easier. It was probably one of the nicest things I have
been to. I knew almost everybody in the audience, and most
of the cast having grown up around a lot of them. I just
got up there and said what I’d got to say. That was
easy and great fun.
Did you enjoy Christmas Lights night?
This was apparently supposed to be one of the best things
you do as Mayor, but on the night in question the rain absolutely
hammered down. I was standing on the Town Hall balcony next
to Rev Caroline Hallett and we couldn’t see a thing
because our glasses were covered in rainwater. The Christmas
Lights Committee had given me a piece of paper setting out
the order of proceedings and as we paraded on to the balcony
to open the event the heavens opened. I stood there watching
the ink run on this piece of paper. Caroline helped me so
that between us we managed to keep the paper dry enough
to be able to make sense of it, but it was very disappointing.
There seemed to be so many things rained off or spoilt by
the rain last year. I lost count of the number of times
I was drenched.
How do you feel about being Mayor Elect?
I really wasn’t expecting to be nominated again for
a second year. When I had the phone call from the Deputy
Mayor to tell me I had been chosen again I was very surprised.
I was expecting to automatically become the new Mayor’s
deputy and had been quite looking forward to it. It would
have still been a great honour and given me the opportunity
to take part in functions, but without quite so much pressure.
During my time last year I kept a detailed diary about all
the things I did and my thoughts at the time because I wanted
to have an accurate record to look back on. In my diary
I had highlighted the date of my last meeting as Mayor with
a smiley face sticker. It took me a little time to adjust
my thinking, but I am now delighted to be carrying on. Needless
to say, it was such an honour to be asked again.
I suppose this year will involve much the same
responsibilities as last
Yes I will be carrying out very similar duties. We do have
a new Mace Bearer starting this year because Brian Haward
has retired after 25 years. We have just had a retirement
dinner for him, which was lovely. The new chap is starting
with me in May so that will be a bit of a novelty. Last
year I relied heavily on Brian to tell me what to do and
where to go. He was there guiding me all the time and I
would have been lost without him. He was very encouraging
and always made me feel I had done well. When he complimented
me I used to believe him because he always said it with
such enthusiasm. I’m never so sure with Derek - if
I go anywhere with him I always ask him if it sounded OK
and he always answers “yes”, and I sometimes
look and him and wonder whether he is telling me the truth.
How did you get your new Mace Bearer?
We put an advertisement in the Southwold Organ with little
idea of the kind of response we would get. We were very
lucky to get Paul Denny who is an ex military man from Reydon.
Mace Bearer is a purely ceremonial role. Every time the
mayor wears the mayoral robes the Mace Bearer should be
there. It is his job to accompany the Mayor, to and assist
with putting on the ceremonial clothes and to then walk
in front bearing the mace. As I said earlier my granddad
was Mace Bearer, but to be honest I never really knew what
he did. When I first took over last year Brian Haward said
to me “my main function is to dress you and undress
you”. I remarked that I had always wondered what went
on in that back room at the Town Hall! I now know of course
that the room houses all the robes and hats and is used
by those of us who have to dress up in them.
Do you enjoy the traditions?
Yes it is fascinating. I found a book in the library by
a past Mayor from the 1980’s called Mr Field, in which
he had written about everything that happened during his
years as Mayor. When I read it I realized that nothing has
changed much. Everything he had done I have done. It was
a surprise to me, but of course everything is tradition
in that Town Hall. The ceremonial hat I wear now is the
hat that Fanny Foster, who was Mayor years and years ago,
used to wear. There are portraits in the Town Hall of previous
Mayors wearing the same ceremonial clothes that I wear now.
We did get a new hat this year. There is a cupboardful of
hats for men, but only two for women and, as we have a mix
of 6 men and 6 women on the council at the moment, we decided
to get another woman’s hat.
Fanny Foster was a tiny woman but very big on the council
and I think it was a bit of a novelty to have a woman mayor
at the time. That is something which has changed.
I love wearing the robes but the hat has been a bit of a
nuisance because not one of the three hats fit me properly.
I get so frustrated trying to get the hat to sit properly
on my head. When the Mace Bearer first tried one of the
hats on me, the three corners of the hat went the opposite
way when I turned my head. That’s why I ended up with
Fanny Foster’s hat, which is very small but the only
one I can actually keep on without it moving about.
At a lot of the functions you are only required you to wear
the chain, but robes are needed for the big civic occasions.
The Mayor is invited to places all over Suffolk and has
the opportunity to meet so many different and interesting
people. I have found that when I say where I am from, people
always want to hear all about Southwold.
What do you think about Southwold now compared
to when you were a child?
Obviously the housing market in Southwold has created the
biggest changes. People have changed because of the number
of strangers. It used to be that you would know virtually
everyone you saw. What I don’t like is that people |